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		<title>By: Justin Pirie</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Pirie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Chris. I think the key to success here is going in with eyes open and armed with SaaS best practices. We&#039;re not in the software business anymore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Chris. I think the key to success here is going in with eyes open and armed with SaaS best practices. We&#39;re not in the software business anymore!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lindley</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lindley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an early stage enterprise SaaS company starting their channel strat early is important to build up sales and marketing capacity and insight into customer needs and value proposition. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s assuming that partnering with one or two companies early on can be called starting your channel strat. I think it can as it gives you the experience of working with partners, their expectations, necessary processes and responsibilities. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And we partner with companies who are the trusted advisors of the clients. Accountants and lawyers in our case. As so many aspects of doing business is changing due to increased regulations (E.g. climate change) and better use of technology in typical business processes (E.g. RFID) businesses purchasing SaaS solutions in these spaces require the inclusion of prof services simply because they don&#039;t have the expertise in-house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an early stage enterprise SaaS company starting their channel strat early is important to build up sales and marketing capacity and insight into customer needs and value proposition. </p>
<p>That&#39;s assuming that partnering with one or two companies early on can be called starting your channel strat. I think it can as it gives you the experience of working with partners, their expectations, necessary processes and responsibilities. </p>
<p>And we partner with companies who are the trusted advisors of the clients. Accountants and lawyers in our case. As so many aspects of doing business is changing due to increased regulations (E.g. climate change) and better use of technology in typical business processes (E.g. RFID) businesses purchasing SaaS solutions in these spaces require the inclusion of prof services simply because they don&#39;t have the expertise in-house.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Pirie</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Pirie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re definitely on the same page there- those who can transition away from being commodity providers to business value adders will win.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have to say I&#039;m somewhat disappointed that you happily report your SaaS apps require that sort of work, as I think that&#039;ll put you and your partners at a disadvantage in the future, when this sort of function is automated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#39;re definitely on the same page there- those who can transition away from being commodity providers to business value adders will win.</p>
<p>I have to say I&#39;m somewhat disappointed that you happily report your SaaS apps require that sort of work, as I think that&#39;ll put you and your partners at a disadvantage in the future, when this sort of function is automated.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, There are a couple different areas of value-add oppty for partners.  One is indeed integration/migration/customization.  That may be limited with SaaS, agreed.  I&#039;m happy to report that at Cisco, our SaaS apps will require that hands-on work.  Enterprise I/M, Email, to name a couple.&lt;br&gt;The other value-add is in adding expertise to facilitate the business processes change that the app creates.  This is the business consultant work rather than the Engineer work, and I think this is where we have agreement if I&#039;m reading your comments correctly.  I also think that this work is the most lucrative.  As Technologies become more capable of drastic process change-- and collaboration technologies do this-- there will be growing opportunities to channel partners who can add the consultants to accelerate these changes.  This is a huge step for the traditional channel partner.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Its ALL about business outcomes.  Those who can facilitate it-- manufacturers and channel partners alike-- will be the winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, There are a couple different areas of value-add oppty for partners.  One is indeed integration/migration/customization.  That may be limited with SaaS, agreed.  I&#39;m happy to report that at Cisco, our SaaS apps will require that hands-on work.  Enterprise I/M, Email, to name a couple.<br />The other value-add is in adding expertise to facilitate the business processes change that the app creates.  This is the business consultant work rather than the Engineer work, and I think this is where we have agreement if I&#39;m reading your comments correctly.  I also think that this work is the most lucrative.  As Technologies become more capable of drastic process change&#8211; and collaboration technologies do this&#8211; there will be growing opportunities to channel partners who can add the consultants to accelerate these changes.  This is a huge step for the traditional channel partner.</p>
<p>Its ALL about business outcomes.  Those who can facilitate it&#8211; manufacturers and channel partners alike&#8211; will be the winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Pirie</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Pirie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and it&#039;s non-traditional channels that are benefiting most from that approach, not the VAR&#039;s and SI&#039;s who traditionally installed, migrated, customised and maintained. That value is disappearing and new channel partners who benefit from the core value of your product will help SaaS vendors win big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and it&#39;s non-traditional channels that are benefiting most from that approach, not the VAR&#39;s and SI&#39;s who traditionally installed, migrated, customised and maintained. That value is disappearing and new channel partners who benefit from the core value of your product will help SaaS vendors win big.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Pirie</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Pirie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re right- some apps do require professional services, and for that there will always need to be people. But the newer, better designed apps require less and less of this- they automate and make intuitive what used to be delivered by pro services and only deliver high value adding pro services now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem I have with your assertion is that you work at an established vendor with a very established channel- which is not the case for most of the readers... You might be able to get this model to work but I can tell you from experience that most SaaS companies cant... SaaS companies shouldn&#039;t be told that they can move into that sort of position either... that&#039;s your competitive advantage and you&#039;re not going to give it up easily!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On-prem / SaaS integration is less of an issue at the low end as it is at the high. In the middle the water is muddy at the moment but I think that will change as more apps get migrated to the cloud. Channel partners have to shift their focus from installing/ integrating/migrating to adding value. Focusing on that keeps them at the bottom of the value chain where they will die.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So in answer to your last question- the web is the primary channel for 99% of SaaS companies. Because you were part of the first wave, selling low TCO software delivered through the browser, you&#039;ve got used to selling like enterprise software and now you&#039;re owned by a public company, you&#039;re tied to their reporting and revenue expectations. This is not what the majority of SaaS companies can and should expect- most often their problem is having poor product/market fit and then expecting the channel to cover up their mistakes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent</p>
<p>You&#39;re right- some apps do require professional services, and for that there will always need to be people. But the newer, better designed apps require less and less of this- they automate and make intuitive what used to be delivered by pro services and only deliver high value adding pro services now.</p>
<p>The problem I have with your assertion is that you work at an established vendor with a very established channel- which is not the case for most of the readers&#8230; You might be able to get this model to work but I can tell you from experience that most SaaS companies cant&#8230; SaaS companies shouldn&#39;t be told that they can move into that sort of position either&#8230; that&#39;s your competitive advantage and you&#39;re not going to give it up easily!</p>
<p>On-prem / SaaS integration is less of an issue at the low end as it is at the high. In the middle the water is muddy at the moment but I think that will change as more apps get migrated to the cloud. Channel partners have to shift their focus from installing/ integrating/migrating to adding value. Focusing on that keeps them at the bottom of the value chain where they will die.</p>
<p>So in answer to your last question- the web is the primary channel for 99% of SaaS companies. Because you were part of the first wave, selling low TCO software delivered through the browser, you&#39;ve got used to selling like enterprise software and now you&#39;re owned by a public company, you&#39;re tied to their reporting and revenue expectations. This is not what the majority of SaaS companies can and should expect- most often their problem is having poor product/market fit and then expecting the channel to cover up their mistakes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stevenforth</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>stevenforth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Justin is dead on in these comments and they mirror our own experience at LeveragePoint.  Of course mschvimmer is also correct, the lead is generated from the web but the sale is closed personnally. The comment by Michael Dunham about servies and SaaS being a good match also mirrors our experience, but with a twist. We believe in using our SaaS application as a channel to deliver services - the services flow through the application rather than being wrapped around it. In our case this means that service providers that build customer value models or who provide the data that drives them do so through our SaaS application. I feel that in the long-term this is the most powerful model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Justin is dead on in these comments and they mirror our own experience at LeveragePoint.  Of course mschvimmer is also correct, the lead is generated from the web but the sale is closed personnally. The comment by Michael Dunham about servies and SaaS being a good match also mirrors our experience, but with a twist. We believe in using our SaaS application as a channel to deliver services &#8211; the services flow through the application rather than being wrapped around it. In our case this means that service providers that build customer value models or who provide the data that drives them do so through our SaaS application. I feel that in the long-term this is the most powerful model.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, SaaS is tough.  Yep, building it thru the channel is a real challenge.  However, the SaaS wave is too big to ignore and think that suddenly all of this software is going to be sold and supported by the developer of the app.&lt;br&gt;At end of the day, contracts are messy.  With SaaS, there&#039;s not a sku in sight-- its all contracts, which means customization at the deal level....a mess as compared to a buy-for-9-sell-for-10-add-the-services-get-on-down-the-road model that comes with on premise, sku-based apps.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The way I look at it, Service Providers have had channels forever, right?  They might not be SaaS providers, but their XaaS offer is similar enough to take a page out of their channel playbook, which is primarily the page with the word &quot;AGENCY&quot; at the top.  There are other ways to do it, mostly dependent on IT support mechanisms that nobody has built yet.  IT development cycles, however, are long, and companies are assessing if channels will work, and hence if the IT investment is one worth making.&lt;br&gt;SaaS and channels will work, because it has to.  Last one to the finish line is a rotten egg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, SaaS is tough.  Yep, building it thru the channel is a real challenge.  However, the SaaS wave is too big to ignore and think that suddenly all of this software is going to be sold and supported by the developer of the app.<br />At end of the day, contracts are messy.  With SaaS, there&#39;s not a sku in sight&#8211; its all contracts, which means customization at the deal level&#8230;.a mess as compared to a buy-for-9-sell-for-10-add-the-services-get-on-down-the-road model that comes with on premise, sku-based apps.</p>
<p>The way I look at it, Service Providers have had channels forever, right?  They might not be SaaS providers, but their XaaS offer is similar enough to take a page out of their channel playbook, which is primarily the page with the word &#8220;AGENCY&#8221; at the top.  There are other ways to do it, mostly dependent on IT support mechanisms that nobody has built yet.  IT development cycles, however, are long, and companies are assessing if channels will work, and hence if the IT investment is one worth making.<br />SaaS and channels will work, because it has to.  Last one to the finish line is a rotten egg.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette Nanasi</title>
		<link>http://www.justinpirie.com/2010/03/every-saas-companies-nightmare-channels/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette Nanasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@justinpirie - SaaS Nightmare: Channels - great post! I&#039;ve found the comments intriguing also - I tend to agree with Kent&#039;s view - not so easy to stereotype SaaS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@justinpirie &#8211; SaaS Nightmare: Channels &#8211; great post! I&#39;ve found the comments intriguing also &#8211; I tend to agree with Kent&#39;s view &#8211; not so easy to stereotype SaaS</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>disagree.  People wrongly seems to put all SaaS offerings into the same bucket just because they are delivered from the cloud vs. purchased and installed on in-house servers.  The truth is, all SaaS apps are NOT the same.  some require professional services (integration, migration, customization, etc) and some don&#039;t.  Those that do are particularly interesting to the channel.  if its interesting, they&#039;ll invest in skills development and be proficient in selling it.  Also, if that SaaS app integrates with an on-prem app that this VAR is also selling, you&#039;ve got a winning Channel opportunity.  Their differentiation in these cases is their professional services expertise.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You compare the web with the channel as sales vehicles.  I don&#039;t know why you&#039;d do that.  One has a salesperson and the other doesn&#039;t.  You ask &quot;How can we expect a channel to sell it when we can&#039;t get it sold on the Web?&quot;  I disagree with the premise of that question.  Hence, the answer is simple.  You can expect different results from the channels because they have salespeople, and the web doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disagree.  People wrongly seems to put all SaaS offerings into the same bucket just because they are delivered from the cloud vs. purchased and installed on in-house servers.  The truth is, all SaaS apps are NOT the same.  some require professional services (integration, migration, customization, etc) and some don&#39;t.  Those that do are particularly interesting to the channel.  if its interesting, they&#39;ll invest in skills development and be proficient in selling it.  Also, if that SaaS app integrates with an on-prem app that this VAR is also selling, you&#39;ve got a winning Channel opportunity.  Their differentiation in these cases is their professional services expertise.</p>
<p>You compare the web with the channel as sales vehicles.  I don&#39;t know why you&#39;d do that.  One has a salesperson and the other doesn&#39;t.  You ask &#8220;How can we expect a channel to sell it when we can&#39;t get it sold on the Web?&#8221;  I disagree with the premise of that question.  Hence, the answer is simple.  You can expect different results from the channels because they have salespeople, and the web doesn&#39;t.</p>
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